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on Tuesday, October 26th, Rodney said
Hey, here's another thing Bush and Kerry have in common - both have refused, on 23 separate occasions, to supply answers to the National Political Awareness Test (NPAT).
on Tuesday, October 26th, crapmonkey said
minimum wage here is only $5.15...just last week the billed wasnt passed to raise it...so they wont raise it to $5.70 next year and then it would have been $6.50 the year after that. people cant live on that. you can barely get a gallon of milk and a dozen eggs for 5 dollars....
on Tuesday, October 26th, razlerja said
"he really deserves to lose" Man, he sure does. Every day that goes by that one fact seems more and more clear, at least to me. And, even if you are a conservative you still can't vote for the man, he has so deeply betrayed those values.
on Tuesday, October 26th, razlerja said
PS: Regardless of whether it is Cobb, Nader, the Libertarian guy or whomever; you really should seriously consider voting for a third party candidate. It is the only way that we will get better nominations out of the two-in-one party system. And, if they continue to ignore the disatisfaction of the voters, then one day one of those third partys is going to win.
on Tuesday, October 26th, Rodney said
But...but...he HEALED Ashley. He fuckin' HEALED her. If elected, he'll bring Ashley's mother back from the dead.
on Tuesday, October 26th, razlerja said
I dunno, in that picture he kinda looks like a creepy old child molester.
on Tuesday, October 26th, Samuel said
I'm totally down with Cobb, besides graduating from here at the beautiful University of Houston Law Center (teh best law skewl evr~!), he also seems to have his head out of his ass.
It's impossible to afford health insurance for a family now, it'd be damn hard at $10 an hour. I make over $16 (flat salary of 2869.33 a month) and by time I pay taxes, retirement and health insurance for myself, my wife and kids, I bring home less than $2000 a month.
I'm not poor anymore, but after rent ($825 a month...hey, I want my kids to hear the gunshots and know they're a few subdivisions over and not in ours...the safety of knowing you're out of range), it's not too much. Better than when I made $8.00 at my other job. We're all coalminers these days and the banks have become the companies getting us in so much debt we can never get out.
Sorry for the psychotic rant, but I just think $10 an hour is hardly a living wage. It's enough to live in a horrible neighborhood or live without insurance...I guess with Cobb getting us insurance and $10 an hour, we're better off. Sucks people are too stupid to see what it is that could help...instead it's team against team...jackass v. elephant...left v. right...it's a sporting event. I'm writing my mother in as president, she's one of the smartest people I know. She recently quit her job at a nursing home because they cancelled their health insurance and gave them a $.25 raise to make up for it...when you work in the medical/health industry and get no insurance, things are fucked.
on Tuesday, October 26th, caffiene23 said
I saw Nader speak on my birthday (the 25th of Oct) and I'll definitely be voting for him, not to mention explaining to others why it's also a good idea. A vote for Nader or a vote for Cobb is a vote for peace and justice.
BTW, in a district here in Michigan there is an 18 year old green who is running for an elected office, buttoo young to hold the office. For some reason, though, he's old enough to run and participate in teh debates? That's so cool.
on Tuesday, October 26th, billzebub said
Just grabbed a sample ballot for NC today:
No Cobb, No Nader. Badnerik is the only 3rd party guy on there.
I guess we have a Libertarian party in this state if nothing else.
Oh and our county commissioner districts are so Gerrymandered that all incubants are running unchallenged!
on Tuesday, October 26th, Nigel Tailwind said
Cobb and Nader are going to help Bush in his bid for re-election. They are going to siphon off votes from the left wing of this bird not the right. This forum went from supporting Kucinich to Nader to Cobb all in one election. Looks like the gravitational pull goes left to me. Vote early and often!
on Tuesday, October 26th, razlerja said
I don't think that those who vote Nader or Cobb would otherwise vote Kerry. Limiting their choice to Kang and Kodos, I think most would just stay home. Regardless, Bush lost my vote back in 2000. He's certainly not getting it now. I think a lot of Republicans feel that way. They'll sit on their hands and Frankenkerry will be the next resident of 1600 PA Ave.
on Tuesday, October 26th, sully said
I greatly respect the views of all those who post here and most highly regard Rodney as the divine mouthpiece of what's right in the world, but, as a hard-core Democrat, I have to beg any would-be Green or Nader voter to please consider your actions.
I respectuflly say that anyone who doesn't think there's a difference between Bush and Kerry isn't looking very carefully. Sure, there are similar stands on a number of issues, and more issues where you can fake similarities for the sake of making an argument, but the differences are in important areas.
If you're voting Green or Nader to add your vote to the couple million who want to protest the Democrat's move to the right on key issues, I totally respect that, but hope you don't leave us stuck with Bush and war for the next 4 years.
For those of you who don't think there's a difference between Kerry and Bush, let me remind you what 4 more years of Bush will give us: Two new Scalia-like Supreme Court justices who will be intent on doing away with abortion and any chance of a state providing gay rights; More war in the middle east with more blood for oil throughout; war with Iran and conflict in North Korea; a higher intensity of hate for the U.S. throughout the world with Bush's actions inciting more terrorism; more jobs sent overseas and companies rewarded for doing so; Social Security totally screwed up; Welfare rolls slashed; more environmental laws written by the polluters, etc., etc. A Kerry presidency would be far from perfect, but I would much rather these and other issues be decided by the lesser of two evils.
Respectfully, just for your information, Kerry didn't technically vote for the war, he voted for the resolution giving the president the power to go to war to help him in negotiations with the UN and to put more pressure on Iraq with the threat of war. He stupidly believed Bush would do what he could to force Iraq to comply and to get the UN behind him without going to war. When Kerry said he would still vote for that resolution, knowing what he knows now, all he was saying was that he thought the vote was right, but the president abused the power they gave him by charging in - as opposed to exhausting all means to avoid taking us there. Make no mistake, had Kerry been president, we wouldn't be in this war in Iraq. Those of you who want to claim Kerry was ever pro-war in Iraq are misguided. Once we were in, he did what was expected, which was to support the military men and women - he's opposed what Bush did all along.
on Tuesday, October 26th, sully said
By the way, I'm not a Kerry-backer, he's just the loser who will be getting my vote.
RODNEY: I'M GOING TO E-MAIL YOU ABOUT WRITING A COLUMN FOR OUR LOCAL DEMOCRATIC PARTY NEWSLETTER - EXPLAINING WHY WE'RE SO DUMB AND WHY YOU'RE SUPPORTING THE GREENS OVER THE DEMOCRATS. WOULD YOU BE INTERESTED IN DOING THAT???? IT'S A NICE WAY TO GET YOUR MESSAGE OUT TO THOUSANDS OF NEBRASKA DEMOCRATS (YES, WE HAVE THEM HERE).
LET ME KNOW IF YOU'D BE INTERESTED, I'LL E-MAIL YOU ABOUT IT TOO. I'D BE INTERESTED IN GETTING THE PERSPECTIVE OF A GREEN IN THE NEWSLETTER TO GIVE READERS SOMETHING TO CHEW ON AND CONTEMPLATE.
on Tuesday, October 26th, Samuel said
Pfft...If I were forced to vote for Kerry or Bush, I'm voting Bush. I'd rather have the real thing than the imitator. Like, I'd buy Coke over bargain soda if it were the same price. This is a case of that. Fortunately my head lives outside of the confines of my asshole and I choose to do my civic duty and vote for who is best.
on Tuesday, October 26th, hedgroz said
Amen, Samuel. I tried, once, to believe that Kerry would do the right thing, but I think it's pretty obvious he'll do whatever the polls tell him to do. Also, if Kerry's elected, North Korea's going right into Taiwan, or some similar nightmare scenario that JK's not prepared for will probably happen. Those of us who are young have no excuse to not try to build a strong third party for our future. All we have to do is figure out which one to support (I've always kind of thought we should have a four-party system, anyway).
on Tuesday, October 26th, Doc said
Kerry? Bush? Cobb?. Hell, it's like ya have a choice of which cancer you get. Prostate or lung in respect to Kerry and Bush. With prostate ya can live with it and it won't kill ya that fast if ya don't try to cure it. Lung cancer gets ya faster and and is harder to cure. And Cobb, he's like a morphine/painkiller shot- it won't cure anything,but it does make ya feel better for awhile. Jee-zus is our country in one big pile o trouble...
on Wednesday, October 27th, razlerja said
We're gonna have 4+ more years of war if EITHER Bush or Kerry win. A vote for Kerry is not a vote against war. Never was, never will be. If you are truely anti-war you can not vote Kerry. Just as, if you are truely pro-life, you can not vote for Bush. He signed 130 death warrants as Governor of Texas. (Thank you to Jepardy! for providing me that helpful bit of info last night.)
on Wednesday, October 27th, Samuel said
Meh, I hate the "how can you be pro-life and pro-death penalty" bullshit.
It's easy. Unborn children have yet to kill anyone or do society any wrong, therefore they deserve a chance at life...people on death row have killed or gravely wronged society, they don't deserve to live. Easy eh?
You should get a chance to fail before you are aborted. That's why I don't understand Pro-choice folks who are anti-death penalty...you can be "killed" before you're born and have none nothing wrong but you can't be killed when you've destroyed others. We only let the sinless die?
Also, I'm not a pro-lifer, so fuck off with that angle. I am in favor of time limits though...first trimester or bust!
on Wednesday, October 27th, Rodney said
Sully,
I'd love to write that article and explain to the Dems why they've lost thousands of voters like myself, and why we won't be coming back. Kerry is a militarist and a corporatist. When confronted with the facts, even his most strident supporters have to admit that.
on Wednesday, October 27th, sully said
Thanks Rod, got your e-mail too. Send it my way and I'll get it submitted. I look forward to reading it.
on Wednesday, October 27th, razlerja said
Not really a 'militarist', not like Wolfowitz, but definitely a 'corporatist'. And, speaking as a corporatist myself, he's not even a very good one.
on Wednesday, October 27th, Jackalope said
To Rodney and all the rest of the non-Kerry supporters: Just about any other election, I'd be there with you, believe me. If I lived in a non-swing state, I'd be there with you. In fact, I'd probably right now be in the Concord office of the Green Party trying to get people to vote Cobb. IF I didn't live in a swing state, I'd vote David Cobb this year. But I am warning all you knuckleheads in Pennsylvania that if Bush carries that state and the election (and I think the one that takes PA and OH will win), then you guys really fucked up. My grandchildren cannot bear for us to elect this dick again. Right now, YOU owe $280,000. That is your share of the national debt, based on the latest figures of a $7 trillion debt and a population of 250 million. Can you pay that off before you die? This was brought to you by George Fucking-W Bush. I have spent the last year here pointing out just how historically bad this guy is for America. In my opinion, he is a bigger threat to national security than Osama bin Laden. More Muslims want to kill Americans now than before 9/11. If you live in a so-called red state or blue state, please, vote Cobb, Nader or Bozo the Clown to register your disgust. I know I'd do it. But we swing state voters have a unique opportunity to correct a mistake the Supreme Court made four years ago and we'd be fools NOT to take advantage of it. And let's be honest. If Gore had been elected, Iraq would still have Saddam, but he would still not be linked to a single American death. Afghanistan would have shitloads of troops in it and the Republican challenger would be bitching about how much we are spending on nation-building. Bush has made only one good decision in four years, namely giving Colin Powell the Secretary of State nod, but then even fucked that up by naming his son as head of the FCC. I agree with Rodney 110%, but I am still voting Kerry because despite what Kerry's said, Iraq would not even be part of the national debate if he'd been president because he'd have taken time to consider facts before committing our troops.
I love you all like brothers, but you're wrong and I feel the need to say so.
on Wednesday, October 27th, ebbv said
Unlike Cobb/LaMarche, Kerry/Edwards has a chance of winning.
You've convinced me with this article there is a significant difference between Green and Dem.
and if Kerry wins in '04, then you can count on my voting Green in '08.
But if Bush wins in '04, you can count on me voting Democrat again in '08.
on Wednesday, October 27th, Rodney said
"Unlike Cobb/LaMarche, Kerry/Edwards has a chance of winning."
So, if Kerry was way behind in the polls, would you vote for Bush?
on Wednesday, October 27th, Rodney said
"For those of you who don't think there's a difference between Kerry and Bush, let me remind you what 4 more years of Bush will give us: Two new Scalia-like Supreme Court justices who will be intent on doing away with abortion and any chance of a state providing gay rights"
Then I guess the Democrats will have to block the nominations of those judges ... wait, that's never gonna happen.
on Wednesday, October 27th, razlerja said
So, what you are saying, Jack, is the stakes have never been higher...hmmmm, where have I heard that before? Oh yean, EVERY OTHER ELECTION EVAR! It will always be that way and you will never vote for anyone other than the two-in-one duoplacy and you will always and forever be choosing between the lesser of two evils. Changing things is hard. Changing things require sacrafice and pain. Changing things takes time. The longer you put it off, the harder it will be.
on Wednesday, October 27th, razlerja said
Sorry for the double post, but I had another thought. If you haven't picked up on this yet, I am about as Right Wing extreme as Rodney is Left Wing. But yet, we totally agree on this - a vote for either Kerry or Bush is not in the best interests of the country. I think that says it all.
on Wednesday, October 27th, Jackalope said
Sorry, raz, you're wrong. I voted Nader in the last two elections and regretted voting Clinton in 1992. I agree there is a time and place to start trying to effect change to the two-party system. Unfortunately Bush has made it necessary to make that time 2008.
on Wednesday, October 27th, ebbv said
"So, if Kerry was way behind in the polls, would you vote for Bush?"
no but i probably would vote for cobb if kerry had no chance of winning my state (michigan). or no chance of winning the whole thing.
i do think that kerry will do more to help bring jobs back from overseas, get the budget more in line and ideally clean up iraq, or at the very least not attack any more countries.
and that's enough to make the difference.
on Wednesday, October 27th, caffiene23 said
What are you talking about? Democrats attack other countries all the time. Clinton bombed Iraq, if you recall, and had a hand in that whole Kosovo fiasco. Democrats are just as notorious for war as republicans if not more.
on Thursday, October 28th, ebbv said
your argument is so profoundly stupid i don't even know where to begin to respond.
because the last democrat president did something the next one will too? in some general aspects, that may hold true, on certain issues like social programs.
but when you're talking about specific military acts you need to look at it a lot more specifically, case by case.
i don't really want to get into all the clinton era instances, you can go look that information up for yourself.
but given the current situation we're in, no i don't think kerry will be *invading* any countries, and i doubt he will be taking military action which does not involve specifically tracking down osama bin laden and al qaeda.
is it IMPOSSIBLE he would invade Iran, Syria or some other fairly hostile nation? no it is not IMPOSSIBLE.
however i believe it's about as likely as carrying on an intelligent conversation on an internet message board.
on Thursday, October 28th, Rodney said
Let me just say that I understand the temptation to vote for John Kerry in order to oust Bush. I don’t agree with it (I think Kerry supporters would agree that Cobb is the better candidate), but I understand it.
on Thursday, October 28th, Rodney said
Go here:
http://www.selectsmart.com/president/
to find the best candidate
for you.
My results:
1. Cobb, David - Green Party (94%)
2. Nader, Ralph - Independent (90%)
3. Brown, Walt - Socialist Party (84%)
4. Kerry, Senator John, MA - Democrat (66%)
5. Badnarik, Michael - Libertarian (33%)
6. Peroutka, Michael - Constitution Party (20%)
7. Bush, President George W. - Republican (10%)
on Thursday, October 28th, razlerja said
1. Cobb, David - Green Party (72%)
2. Nader, Ralph - Independent (72%)
3. Brown, Walt - Socialist Party (61%)
4. Kerry, Senator John, MA - Democrat (58%)
5. Badnarik, Michael - Libertarian (53%)
6. Bush, President George W. - Republican (21%)
7. Peroutka, Michael - Constitution Party (21%)
Wow! I'm voting Socialist before I'm voting Kerry. Well, that's news to me. I still think I'll stick with Nader.
on Thursday, October 28th, Samuel said
1. Your ideal theoretical candidate. (100%) Click here for info
2. Cobb, David - Green Party (83%) Click here for info
3. Nader, Ralph - Independent (83%) Click here for info
4. Kerry, Senator John, MA - Democrat (78%) Click here for info
5. Brown, Walt - Socialist Party (65%) Click here for info
6. Peroutka, Michael - Constitution Party (20%) Click here for info
7. Badnarik, Michael - Libertarian (20%) Click here for info
8. Bush, President George W. - Republican (14%) Click here for info
Wow, this is a trip...what's more interesting is as you put more Bush-like answers in, Kerry rises much faster than Bush does. Weird.
on Thursday, October 28th, billzebub said
ha Ha, chumps! I'm the farthest away from the major parties!
2.Badnarik, Michael - Libertarian (72%) Click here for info
3.Cobb, David - Green Party (60%) Click here for info
4.Nader, Ralph - Independent (60%) Click here for info
5.Peroutka, Michael - Constitution Party (51%) Click here for info
6.Brown, Walt - Socialist Party (49%) Click here for info
7.Kerry, Senator John, MA - Democrat (43%) Click here for info
8.Bush, President George W. - Republican (32%) Click here for info
on Friday, October 29th, Jackalope said
No real surprises here:
2. Cobb, David - Green Party (90%)
3. Nader, Ralph - Independent (90%)
4. Kerry, Senator John, MA - Democrat (76%)
5. Brown, Walt - Socialist Party (72%)
6. Peroutka, Michael - Constitution Party (20%)
7. Badnarik, Michael - Libertarian (19%)
8. Bush, President George W. - Republican (14%) Click here if you think this guy is a dick
on Friday, October 29th, jackalope said
Samuel and I are identical.
One week from today, I'll step inside the voting booth and pull the lever
